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Old 03-15-2009, 04:16 PM
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From the Virginia ONLINE Driver Improvement Course outline:

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Your course:
Course: Court Required - Point Reduction (change course)

Select this option to dismiss your traffic ticket and keep points off your driving record. Only take this course if you have been referred by a Virginia court."

Since I'm sure Grace could have and probably did find this out there when she researched the driver courses, we must assume she deliberately tried to mislead the original poster into thinking she was reasonably well informed on traffic court.

Clearly her ethics are about as low as possible. She demeans me for suggesting that a poster use the truth but not the real reason to get out of a contract and says I should be ashamed because I condone "LYING" (her connotation) by a person trying to find an escape clause to use to get out of a contract that he didn't know required courses in Buddism....

When you get to this site and see that Grace has lied to us all in trying to portray Maryland court information as Virginia law and to deny my EXPERIENCE... Then what else can you say about her ETHICS? THEY DON'T EXIST.!!!
I give you A for effort but an "F" for accuracy.

Read what you wrote.

See the part that says ONLY IF YOU ARE REFERRED BY A VIRGINIA COURT?

HE is NOT referred by a VIRGINIA COURT since the law of both VIRGINIA AND MARYLAND ( through the DLC) says HE IS TRIED as though the offense HAPPENED IN MARYLAND SINCE HE LIVES THERE.

I know you read that.

Why are you IGNORING IT?

What you posted is just peachy--except for ONE thing. HE DOESN'T LIVE IN VIRGINIA.

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Old 03-15-2009, 04:47 PM
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Virginia Traffic School | Virginia Traffic School Course

OMG... Shame for shame!! ALL that foolishness about SPAM and you went to a SPAM WEB SITE SELLING CLASSES and call that a reputable source of information???

SEE where it says "USE ONLY IF YOU HAVE BEEN REFERRED BY A VIRGINIA COURT"? KNOW why it says that?

BECAUSE they are TRIED in their state of ORIGIN because of the DLC.

I take back your "A" for effort----a WEB SITE SELLING CLASSES ( spam ) IS NOT a reputable source of information. No wonder you didn't post a link!! It's not even a DMV!

AGAIN, I provided information from a STATE WEB SITE. YOU? From a place that SELLS CLASSES FOR BAD DRIVERS.

You really should hang your head in shame.
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Old 03-15-2009, 04:58 PM
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This just in from VIRGINIA LAW:

This from a web site SPONSORED BY VIRGINIA ATTORNEYS who DEFEND clients against speeding tickets :
Virginia Speeding Ticket
Virginia SPEEDING Ticket - Out of State License

Virginia will report your speeding ticket back to your home state and it will be posted to your driving record and treated just as if the ticket was issued in your home state.

VIRGINIA SPEEDING classes, VIRGINIA POINT system, VIRGINIA LAW is IRRELEVANT.

What matters is where the POSTER LIVES.

I have provided MARYLAND law which says the offense is reported as though it happened in MARYLAND and I PROVIDED VIRGINIA law which says the offense is REPORTED AS IF THE TICKET WAS ISSUED IN YOUR HOME STATE.

And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, would be the end of the matter.

Virginia law, Maryland law.

*end of discussion*

GNASH your TEETH in PRIVATE, babe.
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Old 03-16-2009, 10:04 AM
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I can't believe you are posting this and misrepresenting your reference to Virginia Law... the name of a lawyer's blog... as Virginia Law... the real law of the state of Virginia. Of course the lawyers want to represent the speeder and charge them ten times the ticket fine for doing so.

Well, your clear convincing habit of advising people to do or say things that will be used to their detriment in a court of law makes me wonder if you even WANT to be a lawyer.

All this guy needs to do is call the office of the Circuit Court Clerk in the county that he was issued a ticket... Virginia. Can't hurt. But your advice certainly will. Sure.. take it to court and fight the testimony of the policeman who gave him the ticket... and LOSE.

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Weak.

From my VERY first posting I said this man is NOT bound by the LAWS in VIRGINIA regarding the points.

I posted MARYLAND law which says SPEEDERS IN OTHER STATES ( specifically VA) are BOUND by MARYLAND LAW and CANNOT take classes to remove points.

You got ALL hot and bothered and posted a link from a VIRGINIA DRIVING SCHOOL that offers CLASSES to GET POINTS REMOVED (not classes INSTEAD OF GOING TO COURT) and insisted he was BOUND by VIRGINIA law.

SO, since you did not accept MARYLAND law, I posted VIRGINIA LAW posted on a VIRGINIA LAWYERS web site---who is NOT by the way offering to BILL people for his services---he is stating VERY CLEARLY if you get a ticket in VIRGINIA you are BOUND BY THE LAWS of YOUR STATE. Guess what a VIRGINIA LAWYER puts on his web site? THE SAME THING the MARYLAND DMV does--THE LAW. BUT nooooooooooo you are telling him to disregard the law on a LAWYERS web site and the STATE DMV and "ask a clerk" what he should do. (shaking my head)

So, a lawyer in VIRGINIA says he is bound by MARYLAND law regarding points and classes.

The MARYLAND state DMV says he is bound by MARYLAND LAW regarding points and classes.

WHAT is MARYLAND LAW?

Maryland does not permit you to go to a traffic school (or attend a class focused on defensive-driving techniques) and have points (or a traffic violation) taken off your license....In the State of Maryland. Points will remain active on your driving record for 2 years from the date of your violation


Read it and WEEP. Now, what was that he was supposed to ask the clerk?

IF he doesn't SHOW UP to court, he will be found GUILTY.

If he DOES show up he will PROBABLY STILL be found guilty, but he MADE an EFFORT to AVOID (again, note difference between avoid and REMOVE) points in the first place .


Now, he asked if he could get OUT of the points. Clearly, he cannot ( since you can read with your own two little eyes that he cannot from MARYLAND LAW--and yeah, its pretty AIRTIGHT, TOO)... then what chance does he have of getting OUT of it ( not getting the points reduced--that isn't an option). One way to get OUT of it (not get RID of points after they are on there) and that is to GO to court, HOW is CALLING the clerk going to help?

Wait--let me guess. THEY can AGREE, the two of them--the speeder and the CLERK and they CAN SIGN something and get the points off!!!(eyeroll).

Calling the clerk is going to give him either the law I provided OR MISINFORMATION.

Nothing at all has been provided to show YOUR contention that he can GO TO A CLASS INSTEAD of getting the points in the first place.

We DO know that the state of Maryland does NOT remove points for two years.

AND we DO know that the state of VA says out of state speeders are bound by the law of THEIR RESIDENT STATE.

So, remind me again--why are we ignoring the law and asking the clerk?

Oh--thats right.

WE AREN'T.
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Old 03-17-2009, 09:04 AM
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OK, dingleberry, it was Virginia law that the speeder violated. He has done nothing in Maryland. While he LIVES is Maryland and they WANT to treat speeders more agressively, the fact that Virginia can and does treat speeders more leniently is borne out in the fact that Virginia has authorized online drivers courses to enable speeders to avoid the points and keep their insurance costs low... and the Circuit Court Clerk's office is the place to get permission to take the class online instead of going to court (this is also a boon to the overcrowded court docket)...

Grace has never had experience in traffic court, nor has she had tickets, but Grace reads Maryland law and thinks that Maryland can get some small county two hours south of the Capital to treat Maryland residents differently... and I'm going to tell you that they treat everybody pretty much the same. To treat each state's speeders caught in Virginia differently would require a bit more work... NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

They don't need Grace's two cents with no knowledge.

Lets not take my word for it. TWO quotes, one from a VIRGINIA ATTORNEY and one from the MARYLAND DMV..

Virginia will report your speeding ticket back to your home state and it will be posted to your driving record and treated just as if the ticket was issued in your home state.


According to the Maryland Driver's Handbook convictions reported from other DLC member states are treated in the same manner as if the offenses occurred in Maryland.

No where does this say he is treated as though the offense happened IN VIRGINIA. BOTH quotes above, one from VIRGINIA LAWYER who handles these cases and one from the MARYLAND DMV says the OFFENSES ARE TREATED as though they HAPPENED IN YOUR HOME STATE..

WHICH is MARYLAND.

AND, as I said previously, "Maryland does not permit you to go to a traffic school (or attend a class focused on defensive-driving techniques) and have points (or a traffic violation) taken off your license.Maryland Traffic Schools Online Guide - Find MD Internet Traffic Ticket School Info - DMV.ORG

So, going to CLASSES in VIRGINIA is NOT going to help him in the least. Another note---Virginia does NOT offer classes INSTEAD of going to court. Virginia offers classes TO REDUCE POINTS, not instead of going to court.

Bottom line---both states say the state where you LIVE calls the shots. This guy lives in MARYLAND. Maryland calls the shots. VA drivers classes aren't going to help him, and calling some harried clerk isn't going to do him a bit of good anyway.

It is what it is.... the law.

Learn something..........I did.

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