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Old 11-06-2009, 04:45 PM
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Website threatens to commit animal cruelty?

Hello everyone,

I apologize in advance, as this message will be very long.
I have recently came across a very disturbing website, in which a person is threatening to eat and kill their cat unless some celebrity reopens her Twitter account.

The website is Will Miley save Fuzzy?, and no one really knows whether or not it's a hoax.
I was wondering about the legal issues regarding that site, and I need a professional opinion based on actual laws.

According to the website, this person does not live in the United States and their actual whereabouts are unknown. It is also not clear whether this person is a male or a female, however most news sites claim it's a girl.
The website, however, is hosted in the United States, specifically Arizona.
PETA and The Humane Society have been notified and responded, and they both said that as of now, no crime has occurred and probably won't occur in the future, and they can't do anything about it right now.

Before I join the efforts of the many people who are trying to do something about this site, I wanted to actually make some research and find out whether or not something can be legally done.

Here are some of my questions - since the website is hosted in the United States, most of my questions refer to US laws, specifically Arizona. However, I assume that due to the fact that this person still haven't committed the possible-future-crime, as of now no law is being broken, otherwise the website would have been shut down.
Before i ask my questions regarding US laws, I will ask a more important one: assuming this person is sincere, and is outside of the US, and assuming this person actually kills their cat, are there any grounds to actually open an investigation in the US, if the crime was not committed on US soil?
I assume not, but just wanted to make sure. Also, I assume that if this person is outside of the US, and killing/eating his cat is indeed legal in their country, there would be no good enough reason to shutdown the website, even if it's hosted in the US, since it just tells a story about an action that was taken, but it was not taken in the US.
- Please correct me if I'm wrong about those assumptions.

Now, lets refer to US laws. I'm really hoping something can be done about this before this deadline arrives. I'm sure that the fact the website is hosted in the US and the person isn't, makes things a bit complicated. I'm asking about US laws for several reasons - the website is hosted there, and we have no actual info on this persons real whereabouts. Also, if it is illegal there, it may be possible to shut down this website.

A. Is this person breaking any law, such as blackmail/coercion, just by threatening to go ahead with this action?

B. PETA states there are laws against eating cat/dogs in seven states only, I haven't found a list of those states though, that could be helpful.

C. Could this be considered animal cruelty? According to the website, this person suggested using a sedative during the killing process, and according to my non-extensive-research, assuming the cat gets killed in a humane way (for example by injection, or in any way that is not considered torture or inflicts physical pain), and this person indeed owns the pet, and is not selling the meat and only use it for personal consumption, then no law has been broken, even in the US. -Again, please correct me if I'm wrong.

I guess what I'm trying to ask is whether or not there's a chance of an actual investigation depending on this person's current and future actions. I'm worried because nothing has happened so far, so I don't want to waste any time contacting organizations if this situation is hopeless. I need professional and educated opinions as to whether or not any law is broken, or will be broken if this person commits the proposed action.
From what I found online, people are simply speculating, some say it's illegal for sure, others say there's nothing illegal about it. That's why I'm asking here.

I'm sure there are some questions I forgot to ask, or didn't think about asking, so feel free to add any relevant information if you believe it can be useful in this case.

Thank you for your time!

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Old 11-06-2009, 05:11 PM
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Rofl!!

Oh, brotherrrrr..........

I swear I've been punked. Here we are trying to get child rapist Roman Polanski extradited to face his crime of child molestation and you want someone to do a welfare check on poor Fuzzy. Seriously.

I read the site you posted----Dude, did you READ that site??? For goodness sakes. May I refer you to the meaning of the word SATIRE? Read the site. It is clearly a joke. Did you even SEE The cat pictures??? It's a jokeeeeee.... RELAX. You are the reason this person makes these sites.

The poster has a TAB called "RECIPES".......... cat recipes. I have a friend that swears he has a book called "101 CrockPot recipes for Puppies". C'mon.

Seriously, YOU got punked!! I'm a platinum blonde and even I knew that site wasn't real.

The entire site is a satire of Miley Cyrus's sense of self importance-----"She cannot give the world something so great (Her tweets) and then just disappear!"

Please tell me you are kidding........... I laughed and laughed a lot!!

In any regard--here is what you came for---legal advice.

The question is not "whether or not any law is broken, or will be broken if this person commits the proposed action.", but rather how would you establish probable cause to investigate AND moreover, how would you KNOW? Swab his mouth and cutlery for CAT DNA?? What if the cat ran away? What 'organizations' do you want to contact? The CAT police? AND what are they going to do???

Noooo......... wait, wait......... wait for it..............

A CAT SCAN???

ROFL! I crack me up.

Let me illustrate my point. Lets say someone at this 'organization' to which you refer goes TO the guys house and knocks on the door. What if Fuzzy isn't HOME at the moment? What if he's out tossing down a few cold ones with Puss N Boots? Do they arrest the guy? My point is how would they PROVE the cat was killed and eaten? Even if the cat isn't HOME , and is out wandering about, that doesn't mean someone killed and ate it (aside from the neighbors german shepherd). Even if the guy posts "I KILLED THE CAT and no my name is NOT CURIOSITY" and if the cat IS missing that doesn't mean he actually DID kill it---his own admission notwithstanding. A thousand other things ( providing reasonable doubt) COULD have happened to Fluffy....... er, Fuzzy........

Bottom line---animal cruelty is a misdemeanor. And there is no way to prove Fuzzy got eaten by the blogger.

Another example. I can walk into the police station and tell them I killed a person. I can describe how I did it, what the person looked like, etc. BUT if they never find any PROOF that such an act occurred, they won't arrest me simply because I said I did it.

Fuzzy is undoubtedly alive and well and laughing his furry sizable tail off. AND according to my pre teens, Miley IS on TWITTER--in fact, they saw her show today asking everyone to TWITTER her.

I have this feeling that YOU are the blogger and that is your site and you are just trying to get someone to fall for it. If that is the case, you failed. Seriously.

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Old 11-07-2009, 03:29 AM
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Hey,

Thank you for your quick response!
Regarding the legal issues, that's pretty much what I thought, assuming it is correct, as no one managed to close the site.

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AND according to my pre teens, Miley IS on TWITTER--in fact, they saw her show today asking everyone to TWITTER her.
I did check this, of course, and Miley left Twitter last month. There has been huge media coverage about it. She did not come back, there are only people who are posing as her.

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I have this feeling that YOU are the blogger and that is your site and you are just trying to get someone to fall for it
I'm not the blogger, and I doubt that person would try to get attention on legal forums, maybe Miley/Twitter forums. I'm also sure that this person already checked all the legalities before launching the site and knows the answers to my questions.

Also, unfortunately, this person did get many people to fall for it, and already received lots of attention. Several journalists are closely monitoring this whole thing, even Miley herself responded and called this person a 'crazy cat lady' and said herself she will not coming back.

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A CAT SCAN???
Good one!

Thanks again.
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Old 11-07-2009, 04:14 AM
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Look......... this person is clever. They are choosing something that isn't illegal and even if it was, nothing could be done about it. Like I said there is no way to tell if he did what he threatened so the RESULT is every bloggers DREAM---PUBLICITY.

It seems clear from his sarcastic tone about Miley (every adult mans fantasy, I'm sure) that it is just that---a joke.

And maybe you should notify the Disney channel because today their ads were on repeatedly "tweet' Miley.

Here is the bottom line----people are giving the blogger what he wants--publicity. Signing petitions, etc. This is such a staged endeavor its honestly embarrassing people are falling for it. And the fact the "media" is covering it hardly legitimizes it in any way.

This blogger is clever enough to find something politically incorrect and capitalize on it without actually committing a crime that would land him in trouble. What a waste of time effort and attention.

Signing petitions to keep FLUFFY alive. As if that WORKS. Nonsense, really.
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