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Old 08-14-2008, 09:30 PM
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A Little Humor....

I know that there is no adequate compensation for pain and suffering. 20 years ago my left had was bite by a dog off a leash. I was a professional musician and it ruined my career. Then compensation was a pittance because I was only an emplyee in a few orchestas but they didn't take into account the cost of my training and potential. There is no way they could compensate me for what I could have been and other said I could have "been."

Three weeks I was in a car accident. The other party admitted 100% responsibility and their insurance company so far has been very accomoating (spooky)

I have been so depressed since it happened and have had trouble getting my mind around what has happend and how it will change my life.

I found out a funny fact; most if not all claims adjusters, use pseudonyms so you can't find them if you are angry with the settlement and want to seek them out for revenge. (My husband is an attorney and he told me this.) So here are a couple of funny suggestions. (I do not wish to offend anyone. I am going through pain and suffering but nothing like what I've read on this forum.) I've tried to stay light but I know know how horrible and grewsone some of your cases are. In addition I do not imply to make "fun" of anyones suffering. If any of the names have offended you, please let me know. You can contact me throught this forum.

Pseudonyms that your claim representative may choose from when they join an insurance company.

Flip N. Roll
Cliff Hanger
T. Bone Fixn’s
Whip Rearender
Peat Belter
Femoris Brokawe
Freda Verta Braa
Tucker Krash
Emmy R. Iris
C.T. Scammer
Rex Ray Yang (kind of racist, I know….sorry)
Cerveral de Lash (my favorite)
Cal Kularisk
Sue Ataloss
Fain N. Puffering
Don T. Driverberg
Brent Frame
Laurent O’Savior
Daniel Ulrich Isben
M.T. Tank
Cross T. Line
Heady Sleptonpedal
Wendy Overhaul
Tote Loss
T.M. J. Eiree
N.T. Enoff
Getty O. W. Fievre

I wish you all well in your healing,
Susan
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Old 08-15-2008, 12:14 AM
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I found out a funny fact; most if not all claims adjusters, use pseudonyms so you can't find them if you are angry with the settlement and want to seek them out for revenge. (My husband is an attorney and he told me this.)
Do not perpetuate net lore as legal information.

Insurance adjusters are licensed professionals---how can you contact them and/or the company they work for without their identification? While some people may find that humorous, it simply isn't true. There are no laws that allow them to misrepresent their identity.

If your husband is an attorney, why does your other thread refer to "my attorney" and why do you need to ask legal questions about employers being responsible for workers who were on the job if you are married to an attorney? Wouldn't he know the laws of your state better than someone here on a message board?

Just wondering.
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Old 08-15-2008, 12:28 PM
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Do not perpetuate net lore as legal information.

Insurance adjusters are licensed professionals---how can you contact them and/or the company they work for without their identification? While some people may find that humorous, it simply isn't true. There are no laws that allow them to misrepresent their identity.
If your husband is an attorney, why does your other thread refer to "my attorney" and why do you need to ask legal questions about employers being responsible for workers who were on the job if you are married to an attorney? Wouldn't he know the laws of your state better than someone here on a message board?

Just wondering.
My husband is an attorney and I have an attorney representing me for the obvious reasons. I have had the "alternate name" practice confirmed by several sources, including insurance agents. It is not misrpresentation to use an alternative name if it is to protect them from retribution from angry clients. Yes, an angry client could find them at work however, if they used their real name their could find their home, etc. Do you think it should be illegal for someone in the witness protection program to use an alias or change their name?

Yes, we do know of several cases in this state. I was wondering if others had delt with the same or similar situation in other states in the auto related cases.

By the way, the concept of "law" did not evolve to "allow" peope to "do things" it evolved to prohibit people from "doing things" in order to protect others rights to "do things". We are a democracy not a communist country last I checked.
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Old 08-15-2008, 01:31 PM
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My husband is an attorney and I have an attorney representing me for the obvious reasons. I have had the "alternate name" practice confirmed by several sources, including insurance agents.
This is news to me. I was recently investigated by the workmans comp insurance company, (dependancy investigation) as well as contacted by several other insurance companies who are related to my husbands death, and not a single person used a fake name. I would really like to read more about this--can you post an Internet link from a reputable site that discusses the practice of insurance agents using fake identities? I would enjoy reading about that.

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By the way, the concept of "law" did not evolve to "allow" peope to "do things" it evolved to prohibit people from "doing things" in order to protect others rights to "do things". We are a democracy not a communist country last I checked.
In simplistic terms, the law is two pronged--what you cannot do ( criminal ) and what you can do ( civil ), generally speaking. You cannot shoot someone ( criminal ) . You CAN put up a fence, build a garage, and run a business out of your house ( civil ). Obviously, this is very general, but the law does say what you can and cannot do.

Workmans comp adjusters, and the private insurers I worked with and am still working with all provided me with business cards, contact numbers, and their personal identifying information. TO NOT do so would give way to a marked rise in crime from people posing as someone they are not. Insurance professionals are licensed in every state. How can he or she present their credentials if they are using a fake name? If what you are saying is true, fraud would be rampant. Every insurance related professional I spoke with had a license, a name tag/badge and proper identification. Do they make fake ID'S? What do they do if someone asks to see their credentials as I did? Do they lie? or do they provide fake ones?

Consider the logistics of an insurance claim going to court and having John Doe testify under oath--but wait, his name isn't really John Doe, it's Steve Buck. What happens then? Do you think a client may have legal grounds against Mr. Buck for posing as Mr. Doe? What a nightmare. If adjuster are routinely doing this, it isn't because it is smart OR legal.

I did call my life insurance,(Allstate) my car insurance (TrustGuard) and my house insurance company (Grange) and asked them this question and not a single one would confirm that their agency practices the use of fake names to "protect adjusters". Which company did you speak with?

If you can provide more information, I would enjoy reading about it---While I have never heard of insurance companies allowing their adjusters to use false identies, and I cannot seem to get an insurance company to confirm it, and I cannot find anything on the Internet by using appropriate Boolean search terms, I certainly may be wrong.
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Old 08-15-2008, 02:30 PM
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This is news to me. I was recently investigated by the workmans comp insurance company, (dependancy investigation) as well as contacted by several other insurance companies who are related to my husbands death, and not a single person used a fake name. I would really like to read more about this--can you post an Internet link from a reputable site that discusses the practice of insurance agents using fake identities? I would enjoy reading about that.



In simplistic terms, the law is two pronged--what you cannot do ( criminal ) and what you can do ( civil ), generally speaking. You cannot shoot someone ( criminal ) . You CAN put up a fence, build a garage, and run a business out of your house ( civil ). Obviously, this is very general, but the law does say what you can and cannot do.

Workmans comp adjusters, and the private insurers I worked with and am still working with all provided me with business cards, contact numbers, and their personal identifying information. TO NOT do so would give way to a marked rise in crime from people posing as someone they are not. Insurance professionals are licensed in every state. How can he or she present their credentials if they are using a fake name? If what you are saying is true, fraud would be rampant. Every insurance related professional I spoke with had a license, a name tag/badge and proper identification. Do they make fake ID'S? What do they do if someone asks to see their credentials as I did? Do they lie? or do they provide fake ones?

Consider the logistics of an insurance claim going to court and having John Doe testify under oath--but wait, his name isn't really John Doe, it's Steve Buck. What happens then? Do you think a client may have legal grounds against Mr. Buck for posing as Mr. Doe? What a nightmare. If adjuster are routinely doing this, it isn't because it is smart OR legal.

I did call my life insurance,(Allstate) my car insurance (TrustGuard) and my house insurance company (Grange) and asked them this question and not a single one would confirm that their agency practices the use of fake names to "protect adjusters". Which company did you speak with?

If you can provide more information, I would enjoy reading about it---While I have never heard of insurance companies allowing their adjusters to use false identies, and I cannot seem to get an insurance company to confirm it, and I cannot find anything on the Internet by using appropriate Boolean search terms, I certainly may be wrong.

I am sorry for your loss.

How do you know that the names on the cards are in fact theirs? An insurance company will never tell you they do this. I learned this from an attorney who represented an insurance company and my father was a V.P. for an insurance company (retired). Regarding a trial, I don't know how it would be delt with although judges and attornies know all kinds of things that don't get in the record. If it matters to you this much I suggest looked elsewhere other than this forum.
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Old 08-15-2008, 02:50 PM
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How do you know that the names on the cards are in fact theirs? An insurance company will never tell you they do this. I learned this from an attorney who represented an insurance company and my father was a V.P. for an insurance company (retired). Regarding a trial, I don't know how it would be delt with although judges and attornies know all kinds of things that don't get in the record. If it matters to you this much I suggest looked elsewhere other than this forum.

What matters to me is 1. learning and 2. misinformation being perpetuated as legal truth.

And, I have looked elsewhere---to no avail. That is why I hoped I wasn't inconveniencing you by asking where this information came from since I cannot seem to find it. I would like to read more about it. As I said, I may be entirely wrong about this. But without reputable sources of information, it is impossible to be properly informed (i.e. learning). I figured since you made the statement, you had access to sources I did not--so it made sense to simply ask you.

I know the names of the people in question were true in my case, because under oath in a court of law in countless hearings, they gave depositions regarding the accident, and the subsequent claims where they were asked, among other things, their names, and if they were indeed so and so from such and such a company.

Consider the following:

The check the person receives has a COMPANY name on it, with address, right? And the person SEES the adjuster ( knows what they look like). Given those two pieces of critical information, it would be child's play to find the adjuster, if one wanted to, regardless of what name is used. There are no laws protecting insurance adjusters that would allow them to conduct their business in disguise.

Also, what accreditating agency would risk their reputation on FAKE ID cards? To say the state issues illegal ID cards for insurance adjusters just isn't imaginable. Are there that many unhappy customers who are going to stalk, shoot and kill their adjusters that the adjusters NEED to be allowed to lie in court to protect themselves?

Generally speaking, to lie under oath regarding ANYTHING is not advisable and to imagine 1. an attorney doing it and 2. a judge overlooking or allowing it is, in anyone's rule book, a bad idea.

If people are lying about ANYTHING under oath, they are opening themselves up for perjury charges. Balance that against the odds of a crazy person hunting you down and shooting you for not giving them enough money to get the body work done on their car.
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Old 08-15-2008, 04:11 PM
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It is obvious you are not a lawyer nor am I. You have no idea what goes on in chambers between judges and attornys. I just happen to access to people who are and have had experience with this from the inside. I'm sorry you're so angry about it. It is done legally under many different situations by employers and in law enforement.

Sorry I even brought up this supject. I've known it for a long time so I just assumed people knew that this can and is done legally.

Signing off......
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It is obvious you are not a lawyer nor am I. You have no idea what goes on in chambers between judges and attornys. I just happen to access to people who are and have had experience with this from the inside. I'm sorry you're so angry about it. It is done legally under many different situations by employers and in law enforement.

Sorry I even brought up this supject. I've known it for a long time so I just assumed people knew that this can and is done legally.

Signing off......
Its amazing how asking people for legitimate sources of their (mis)information incites unwarranted speculation on people's personal lives, education and profession.

Actually, you don't know anything about me personally, nor have I referenced you personally.

Asking for more information to educate myself if I am wrong is "angry"?

Nothing could be further from the truth.

The bottom line is insurance adjusters don't use names like Fen D. Bender to assess and respond to clients needs. It would be impossible to testify in court while lying about your identity.

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It is done legally under many different situations by employers and in law enforement.
What is done legally by employers and law enforcement? I thought we were talking about insurance adjusters. Employers and law enforcement lie under oath? Hide their identity from injured parties? If that is what you mean, then I would respectfully and wholeheartedly disagree.

Being told something is true does not make it so. And if it were true, it would be a simple matter to just find documentation of the same. And, if you had it, I would like to read it and benefit from it.

I am not taking issue with you personally. It would be nice if you could refrain from the same.

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